Al Lolich - donuts Staub - steak.The food metaphor of trading a steak for a donut is accurate in this and many Mets trades.Would love to see a book written with lists and analysis of all Mets trades. Take a look at his stats on baseball-reference and you will shake your head. August 7, 2018 Mickey Lolich did not want to come to the Mets. March 22, 2005 The Mets traded the best player they ever had for a bunch of stiffs. I remember as a 11 year old when the Mets traded for him thinking "Great, we have Mickey Lolich! I used to think that Lolich sucked with the Mets, but after reviewing his stats and starts from that year, he was a damn effective #4 starter. But keeping 105-RBI Staub would have provided middle lineup power 100% of the time. Mickey liked his doughnuts. A Staub-Kingman combo would have provided more run support for big three, and probably a 90+ win season. And yes, maybe Koosman had losing years in the late 70's but he had been a Met long enough with a winning record that the fans rooted for him. John, we know the condition the team was in when Lolich got here. Lolich was a newcomer that was a big loser, and he reminded us of how stupid the Mets management was for always going after fading superstars. As Sonny Jurgenson once said "you don't throw the ball with your stomach." Stu Baron For a fourth starter, on a four man rotation, Lolich was decent. Ramblin' Pete He wanted to finish out his career in Detroit, where he had some great years (the photo of him jumping on Bill Freehan after the final out in the 1968 World Series is a classic). And Rusty Staub? No contest. Featuring Bob Gibson in MVP form, Al Kaline, and Mickey Lolich, it was baseball at its best. Did you boo him or make fun out of him? Jamey Bumbalo I don't know if Mickey belongs in Cooperstown but he sure deserved more than 25% of the vote which was his highest showing. Ok, the height is correct but make no mistake,a consistent, determined winner, Mickey Lolich was in the spotlight throughout his career. mets Within a year, the corpulent Lolich had retired to open a doughnut shop in suburban Detroit. October 4, 2005 Rusty has always been a fan favorite so if you're going to trade him it better be worth it, and to most of us Mets fans Lolich wasn't. Bobster1985 Mickey Lolich so despised the Mets experience that he sat home and ate donuts for a year rather than play again in New York. A look back at the long-ago annual series between the Mets and their Bronx rivals. October 2, 2005 June 30, 2019 August 7, 2002 Bobster1985 They did not let him pitch the way he wanted. October 18, 2008 pete Reading this brings back my memory of the trade that sent Rusty packing to Detroit. Let me say that again, 376 and that's without a pitch count. In that same year he went 13, 13, 12, 11 and 10 innings in 5 games. The point is he made a bad team worse. Lolich pitched fairly well with the Mets, in fact I recall a 2-0 shutout at Shea he pitched against the Cardinals in about two hours. Lolich's big-league debut came May 12, 1963, in a 9-3 Detroit loss to the Cleveland Indians. The prices shown are the lowest prices available for Mickey Lolich the last time we updated. His not being elected to Cooperstown is a major oversight. Lolich finished his career 12th on the all-time strikeout list with 2,832, second only to Steve Carlton among left-handers. 3.50 was more of a mediocre E.R.A in those days.About his profile of 6'1" and 170 lbs., I looked him up in the Baseball Encyclopedia and that's what they have. Shari He pitched over 300 innings for 4 years in a row, coming close to 400 one year. I would put Rusty for Lolich in second place. Let me say that again, 376 and that's without a pitch count. (thankfully returning in '81). I saw Lolich pitch at Shea on July 29, 1976, a Thursday afternoon game following morning showers, probably a getaway game, attended by a sparse crowd of 12,588. Read about Andrew Feustel LOHS Class of 1983. Cut him some slack. March 2, 2003 murphy The last thing the Tigers needed was a dandy hitter whose hitting only went to support lopsided slugfest losses every day. LA-Mets You have to remember that any ERA of 3.00 and over back in the 1970's was not a good stat. I simply loved to see him walk onto the mound; I knew that we as a ball club would be a winner any time he pitched, but as they always say time moves on, but our memory is always around. April 30, 2009 Rusty has always been a fan favorite so if you're going to trade him it better be worth it, and to most of us Mets fans Lolich wasn't. But I have to say, I laughed out loud when I saw his physical statistics on this site. Joe Figliola An interesting thing about Lolich that I remember from an old Mets program is that he's actually right handed. And Rusty Staub? 10/10/68: Tigers lefty Mickey Lolich picks off both Lou Brock and Curt Flood in the bottom of the 6th of a scoreless Game 7Check out http://MLB.com/video for. Mickey Lolich is one of my favorite players. The Tigers had some great years back in the late 60's and early 70's- much like the Mets. He lost 39 games his last two seasons in Detroit, with an obese ERA both years. In that same year he went 13, 13, 12, 11 and 10 innings in 5 games. The point is he made a bad team worse. It was the former Pontiac, Oxford & Northern Railroad corridor (P.O. October 2, 2005 senor ortiz The fact that he pitched four consecutive 300+ inning years; that's like 10 years in today's game. But I have to say, I laughed out loud when I saw his physical statistics on this site. I simply loved to see him walk onto the mound; I knew that we as a ball club would be a winner any time he pitched, but as they always say time moves on, but our memory is always around. Mickey was a great pitcher but was not happy in New York. John, we know the condition the team was in when Lolich got here. All he represents for me was one of the many horrendous choices the Mets have made over the years, always going after washed up has-beens past their prime. Within a year, the corpulent Lolich had retired to open a doughnut shop in suburban Detroit. Mike B April 30, 2009 Donut Shoppe Patron Lolich pitched fairly well with the Mets, in fact I recall a 2-0 shutout at Shea he pitched against the Cardinals in about two hours. March 2, 2003 eddiek Grant was a real hindrance to the Mets. August 7, 2018 However, I remember Lolich as being quite portly, so his true weight was a lot more than 170 pounds. I don't know if Mickey belongs in Cooperstown but he sure deserved more than 25% of the vote which was his highest showing. July 31, 2002 Grant was a real hindrance to the Mets. In his first full season 1964, Mickey Lolich went 18-9 an ERA of 3.26. He started 45 games and completed 29. Cut him some slack. =Chuck= December 20, 2019 Mickey did a few good games with the Mets as well as a couple shutouts. Lolich was an outstanding pitcher who had just experienced an off season in Detroit. Gary from Chesapeake After one year in New York Lolich retired. Grant was a real hindrance to the Mets. September 12, 2002 Mickey loved his Harley. I simply loved to see him walk onto the mound; I knew that we as a ball club would be a winner any time he pitched, but as they always say time moves on, but our memory is always around. Mickey Lolich did not do too bad with the Mets, He just did not get the April 30, 2009 The Staub trade was ridiculous but not Lolich's fault. I have to respectfully disagree with NYB Buff's claim that Lolich belongs in Cooperstown. He led the Tigers to their second last-place finish in their 76-year history. support. September 25, 2013 As a kid collecting baseball cards and watching ballgames in the '70s, I remember being struck by Lolich's belly. We are going all the way!" Hey Mets Fan, Lolich never asked to be traded to New York. (thankfully returning in '81). GoMets2006 And Rusty Staub? I looked him up in The Sports Encyclopedia 2002 and they have 6' and 210 lbs. Mickey liked his doughnuts. But then Vail got hurt, and Kranepool and the aging Torre got more playing time.The better plan was to keep Staub, and let Milner and Vail fight for a spot. Bartolo Colon etc). Joe Figliola In his first full season 1964, Mickey Lolich went 18-9 an ERA of 3.26. There were some games where the Mets did not give him support. Mickey Lolich did not do too bad with the Mets, He just did not get the "You know, you can never trust a skinny cook. That's more realistic but generous, I think! No contest. Dianna Jeanneh Jones Mickey had a lifetime 3.44 ERA and 2832 strikeouts. Having this claim (in addition to his World Series MVP) is definitely worthy of the Hall of Fame. Lolich may be a legend in Detroit based on his 1968 World Series performance, but he was at the end of his career by 1976. snook And yes, maybe Koosman had losing years in the late 70's but he had been a Met long enough with a winning record that the fans rooted for him. bob saunders The point is he made a bad team worse. He had terrific stuff. Mickey had a lifetime 3.44 ERA and 2832 strikeouts. Laura15yearoldmodel NO WAY he was 170 pounds. I remember as a 11 year old when the Mets traded for him thinking "Great, we have Mickey Lolich! September 24, 2005 170 lbs.? As somebody mentioned previously, this is really all Mike Vail's fault. Rusty has always been a fan favorite so if you're going to trade him it better be worth it, and to most of us Mets fans Lolich wasn't. I was 7 years old, listening to the Mets on the radio in the car with my mother. Mickey Lolich was a great pitcher in the American League. Stu Baron I look at his numbers as a Met and they're not bad. Lolich was a fine pitcher. HmmBaseball Reference.com is usually beyond redoubt, but I would say with almost unimpeachable certainty that Mickey Lolich weighed somewhere in the vicinity of 240 by the time he was huffing and puffing his way up the pitchers mound at Shea in 1976.Another awful trade, courtesy of M. Donald Grant, who couldn't wait to run Rusty Staub (coming off a team-record setting 105 RBI season) out of town, weeks after Mrs. Payson passed away. He learned to pitch lefty in order to strengthen his left hand and arm after he lost the use of his right hand for a few years as a child. March 5, 2006 Having this claim (in addition to his World Series MVP) is definitely worthy of the Hall of Fame. He has been married to Joyce Fleenor since November 21, 1964. I wish the Mets had a pitcher today with a 3.22 ERA. Thomas also co-hosts a weekly L.A. radio talk show on football. I used to think that Lolich sucked with the Mets, but after reviewing his stats and starts from that year, he was a damn effective #4 starter. For a fourth starter, on a four man rotation, Lolich was decent. What a sore disapppointment it was to see Staub take over rightfield (with his gnat's piss arm) after watching Kaline out in right all of those years in Detroit. Like Seaver and Koosman, Mickey had pretty meager run support throughout his career. Dianna Jeanneh Jones I saw Lolich pitch at Shea on July 29, 1976, a Thursday afternoon game following morning showers, probably a getaway game, attended by a sparse crowd of 12,588. In my opinion, there are only three candidates for worst trade in Mets history: Man, he was a big one. Learn How rich is He in this year and how He spends money? That's more realistic but generous, I think! I wish the Mets had a pitcher today with a 3.22 ERA. I've talked to Mr Lolich in Rochester then in Lk Orion several years ago when he owned his doughut shops. Mickey had a lifetime 3.44 ERA and 2832 strikeouts. There were some games where the Mets did not give him support. How many did he own? The plan was apparently: Vail LF/RF, Kingman LF/RF/1B, Milner, LF/RF/1B for those three spots. May 7, 2013 At night, Park Island was illuminated by strings of thousands of lights. I'll start with full disclosure: I was (and still am) bitter that the Mets gave up one of my favorite players, Rusty Staub, to get Lolich-- who was well past his prime. Mickey Lolich was the greatest left handed pitcher in the whole world to me in 1968, He was even greater than Denny. He later resurfaced with the Padres. (Note: others featured in that section were the Knicks' Toby Knight and his wife and Rangers enforcer Nick Fotiu and his very leggy wife and kids)I also had the unfortunate opportunity to score the game against the Phillies where pitcher Larry Christensen belted TWO home runs off Lolich on a hot Sunday afternoon. Lolich was giving one of his typical awful performances in a Mets uniform. But I think the final verdict has to be that neither team would have fared much differently with or without the Lolich/Staub trade. September 24, 2005 I recall one year where he had 121 RBI's. Shari September 24, 2005 Mickey Lolich is one of my favorite players. June 11, 2003 Mets who have appeared in baseball's Mid-Summer Classic. January 12, 2011 In this World Series, Lolich pitched three complete games and allowed only five runs an ERA of 1.67. April 6, 2012 August 7, 2018 God bless him wherever he is and good luck! Bob P November 12, 2006 Lolich committed to playing 2 years for the Mets, but then reneged on that promise. June 30, 2019 mets May 6, 2003 Pitchers have good days and then once in a while they hang a curve? They were starting their descent into oblivion and the Staub trade was step in that direction. When he was with the Mets, I gave him the name "TOO MUCH EATER" but then again the Orange and Blue has always had big boned hurlers (El Sid. What an interesting parallel, huh? That would make him a star in today's market. Raymond Malcuit Jr. April 23, 2003 They did not let him pitch the way he wanted. - Now for the trade itself. February 28, 2003 Lolich may have been a great pitcher once, but by 1976 he was a has-been. Really? (With three lefties and a Seaver, the Mets were lefty killers) But the Mets needed hitting. April 24, 2003 As for all the innings Lolich pitched in Detroit, in today's game 300 innings is comparable to two full seasons, what with pitch counts and constantly babying starting pitchers. Fact is Lolich was always overweight. Mickey pitched almost 200 innings in 76, gave up less hits than innings and his era was in the low 3.00's. In my opinion, there are only three candidates for worst trade in Mets history:1) Staub for Lolich 2) the Ryan trade 3) the Seaver tradeI believe the Seaver trade was the worst, for obvious reasons. Lolich - donuts Staub - steak.The food metaphor of trading a steak for a donut is accurate in this and many Mets trades.Would love to see a book written with lists and analysis of all Mets trades. I don't know if Mickey belongs in Cooperstown but he sure deserved more than 25% of the vote which was his highest showing. Lolich was a fine pitcher. McLain got all the publicity but Lolich got the wins in post season 1968. I simply loved to see him walk onto the mound; I knew that we as a ball club would be a winner any time he pitched, but as they always say time moves on, but our memory is always around. Actually, he was eating his way out of baseball, a fact which revealed itself as the 1976 season progressed. I find it odd that he didn't play in 1977. Or even a platoon as Vail was righty, and Milner was lefty.In the days of 4-man rotation, Seaver-Koosman-Matlack had them covered 75% of the time. eddiek But then Vail got hurt, and Kranepool and the aging Torre got more playing time.The better plan was to keep Staub, and let Milner and Vail fight for a spot. mets For a fourth starter, on a four man rotation, Lolich was decent. Kooz As for his love of donuts, he could have been the prototype for Homer Simpson. Lolich hit a home run in the World Series- and so what does that mean, that he was a great hitter? 170 lbs.? Reading this brings back my memory of the trade that sent Rusty packing to Detroit. 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