It is not easy nor it was something pleasant to be done. ", "Support for shake-up of Saudi justice system", "Specialized criminal court begins hearings against 85 people accused of terrorism", Royal Embassy of Saudi Arabia in Washington, DC, "Saudi Arabia: Lengthy sentences for reformists a worrying development", "Saudi Court Tries Militants for Planning Attacks on U.S. Many still advocate the death penalty and if we still lived by the bibles code it would still be implementing it as a punishment. The reform of the judicial system in Saudi Arabia started in 2007 when King Abdullah issued a number of royal decrees implementing an overhaul of Saudi Arabia's judicial system. Religion, all religion, by its very nature, causes intellectual stasis, which in turn causes cultural and technological stasis. Questions like name, relatives names and even color of furniture, address, employment and all other things married couples naturally know. Last month alone saw another spate of lashings. I love the civilization of the West and really enjoy all our evils of civility, equality and religious freedom. The reason we primarily stopped it was because we were putting to death people who were innocent of the crimes of which they had been found guilty, we simply could not ensure convictions where fair. The Embassy of The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia How do you know Muhammad wasnt a narcissist? [10]:81 The training received from such Sharia law degrees is entirely religious in character and is based on the Qu'ran and centuries old religious treatises with no reference to, for example, modern commercial issues. Zee.may Allah reward you for your willful submission. Amnesty International Report 1999 Hey Mo.First of all, why the F*CK are you commenting on an anti-thiest website created by infidel kafir non believers?!? Good answers in return of this difficulty with solid arguments and explaining all Now if what she told us is not true, tell us. It is like a person thinking with only half a brain!. On this Wikipedia the language links are at the top of the page across from the article title. May I ask why the government is so interested in the personal affairs of its citizens? Cites press reports that Saudi flogging (which the USSD seems to think is something different from caning) is administered with a "thin reed" by a man holding a book under his arm. THEY were all questioned, by a few, who then created their own, of similar intent, to subjugate the masses otherwise you would not have the one you use now, nor would Christianity have the one IT uses now! Washington, DC 20037, Regular Business Hours If this is true, the paucity of such photographs might be explained by the fact that anyone caught taking pictures of such events is himself severely punished, according to some anecdotal evidence. The jurisdiction rules are adopted between the courts of First instance on the basis of the type of case, that is, the nature of the dispute whether it is commercial, personal status, urgent matters, etc., regardless of the value of the case. Cultural Mission:(703) 573-7226 How can such a system exist? By refusing to comment on you are silently approving of these inhuman punishments. It seems some people want them in place so that they can be used to their gain. Robert Thomas was sentenced last September to 16 months in prison and 300 lashes, and has since been caned 50 strokes at a time. What I mean is, how did the religious state acquire the right to treat people in this way? Although I think that she is not a journalist. That does`nt make it Wrong or Right, It is merely a Statement of Fact. Is it a true sign of being Allahs Prophet that a man spreads so much fear and so little wisdom? chanel luggage The Kingdom of Saudi Arabias ongoing concern to providing a decent life to its citizens extends to those with disabilities as well. you sure about that? The SCCA will conduct an administrative conference before the Tribunal is constituted to facilitate party discussion and agreement on issues such as arbitrator selection, languages, locations, channels of communication, process efficiencies, and any other administrative matters. Some argue, as do many Muslims, that this life is some sort of passage to the after life. I want to ask your help. On the other if you are accused of any crime, the full wrath of the law (or how it is interpreted by judges) will fall on you and you will be made to pay the same (or worse) price than men. Why is the Quran full of verses that say Muhammad is not crazy? Why are so many of the men threatened by women? In Ancient Times the Price for Killing a Swan, was Death. Some years back I had the opportunity to work in Saudi Arabia for two long years. Two statements for you: 1) May Allaah guide you (and if he doesnt) 2) May he break your back (for increasing in misguidance for the people). Maybe Im just foreign and dont understand. It also has the power of compulsory enforcement and supervision over it. It is surrealyou cannot decide to whom you speak or with whom you have coffee? . Approval of the draft law is issued after its presentation to the Council of Ministers in its capacity as the owner of the regulatory authority, in a secret session in which the draft is discussed and voted on in the presence of the concerned minister or his representative. U.S. Consulate General Jeddah Reportedly, those flogged do not receive medical treatment. Rules and Regulations ? My goal is that the child live between us. The party initiating the arbitration shall pay the appropriate filing fee as per the SCCA Administrator and Arbitrators Fee Schedule. This is a poor reflection on the KSA. Truth is worst to hear sometimes. See paragraphs 24 and 29-31 for the Saudi official response to accusations that judicial flogging constitutes torture. The woman, who was also sentenced to four months imprisonment, was found guilty of being in the company of two men, who were not her relatives. yeah well that is their way dont say anything about other peoples god learn to respect other religions Muslims are all around you so respect their religion and they will respect yours. [6]:187 Although most judges have been educated and appointed under the current system, some of the older judges received the traditional qadi's training of years of instruction by a religious mentor in a mosque. The Tribunal will deliberate, prepare and deliver the Award in no later than 60 days from the date of the closing of the hearing. SHAKIR: O you who believe! The judiciary of Saudi Arabia is a branch of the government of Saudi Arabia that interprets and applies the laws of Saudi Arabia. [4]:174 At present, there are two types of courts of first instance: general courts and summary courts dealing with lesser cases. Different reports suggest that, as one might expect under a regime where the rule of law is a wholly alien concept, there are no formal procedures and little consistency about the modus operandi: either a whip, a leather strap, or a long cane may be used; sometimes the lashes are confined to the buttocks, more often it seems they are spread out from the neck to the ankles, and usually with the prisoner simply lying face down on the ground. www.corpun.com : Archive : 1976 to 1995 : SA Judicial Oct 1977-- THE ARCHIVE -- SAUDI ARABIA. It consists of specialized circuits, and each circuit includes one or more judges. Especially for expats.. Totally absurd.It only shows mean mindedness and cheap thinking. "Judges have a lot of discretion. They just scroll to the bottom and click I agree.. Please could the blog be ordered in reverse so most recent comments are seen first at the top of the blog? Id suggest you do more research on the CULT of Islam, before you make anymore comments. From there, they go straight to the courts and are lashed. That is arrogance in the extreme. Its a good thing people like you are not in charge of the affairs of the people. It will also highlight the five stages of issuing laws, which consist of Suggestion Stage, Voting Stage, Validation Stage, Release Stage and Publication Stage. This guy was a young apparently healthy Saudi guy and one of his hands was cut right at the wrist. If the defendant fails to attend in situations related to marital matters, custody, alimony, visitation or guardianship, the court may order his presence forcibly. We see roughly 50 lashes, though nobody appears to be counting. Very good analogy, and even more impressive that it comes from someone called Abdul. What is your take on it? We didnt want judges to apply different standards to people living in the same country. Maybe change updating, re-interpretation whatever you want to call it, IS possible. Saudi people are complete hypocrates. The act of indoctrinating others and not allowing any room for the possibility and capacity to develop ones own mind is though. . Thanks for the insight by the way. The USSD has now decided to refer to all Saudi JCP as "lashing" and makes no reference to different implements. The Author just wrote few things for information purposes and made me extreamly laugh at it. @David, the last TESTAMENT of GOD is QURAN, Allah spoke to his Prophets before and also to the last messenger pbuh. Fill in your details below or click an icon to log in: You are commenting using your WordPress.com account. their relationship started a year ago and im wondering why the authorities can not catch them. Women have an important contribution to make to the public sector. "If the girls are not married, the hospital is bound by law to tell the police, and the girls are arrested. !poor womens, no possible for me life in SK. The cane splits the skin and rips at the bare flesh. [8][9] The Board of Grievances was originally created to deal with complaints against the government, but also gained jurisdiction over commercial and some criminal cases, such as bribery and forgery, and acts as a court of appeal for a number of non-Sharia government tribunals. A country which separates religion from its civil activities? I am sorry for your people. The Online Dispute Resolution Protocol is designed to resolve small disputes, with a cap amount of 200,000 SAR, quickly, fairly, and inexpensively in order to move on with their business relationship. Since many of Muhammads own family members didnt believe him, why should we? An Asian diplomat at first refused to discuss the condition of maids who came to his embassy after being whipped. @Jai Babu in Hindu religious book Ramayana, The Husband Ram has burnt the entire City of Ravana (which is not srilanka) for Ravana abducted Sita so why can a Muslim judge punish just two people for Adultery and immoral meetings? It does state how things are. It will take you through the four bodies of the Judicial System in the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia including the Supreme Court, Appellate Court, First Instant Court, and Enforcement Court. The main complaint reportedly made by Saudis privately is that judges, who have wide discretion in interpreting the Sharia, have no knowledge, and are often contemptuous, of the modern world. you sound like a very intelligent woman very capable of many things, what are you still doing in that country? The obligation of depositing referred to above is applied to the trustee, guardian and overseer. For supposed immoral behaviour or for theft, a Filipina, Sri Lankan or Indian maid in the Arab Gulf can expect up to 200 lashes with a bamboo cane no thicker than a man's small finger - administered by a man, of course. Otherwise he will most likely be sentenced a number of lashes across the back. To a man born and raised in Europe, with many friends of both sexes, this kind of thing is what I find most astonishing about KSA and the muslim world. As far as from what I have learn, Umar AlKhattab as added the specific condition for ones theft to be punish according to the hudud. Regarding the khalwah, it is a sin yet as long as they are not proved to commit sex etc they cant be punish. Amazon.com: A Judicial Caning in Saudi Arabia - A Kane Magazine Short Story eBook : Holder, C., Harrison Marks, G., James, Cliff: Tienda Kindle F*CK ISLAM. I was in KSA in 1990 during the war,( from America). THERE MUST BE A WAY TO SLOVE THING THEY SHOULD GIVE THE THEFT 4 OR 6 MONTHS JAIL AND RELEASE HIM NOT TO CUT OFF HIS HAND THINK IF HE HAS GIVE A CHANCE TO LIVE HE MIGHT LIVE AND WORK SUPPOSE IF HIS HANDS ARE CUT WAT WILL HE DO IN THIS WORLD . do not put questions about things which if declared to you may trouble you, and if you question about them when the Quran is being revealed, they shall be declared to you; Allah pardons this, and Allah is Forgiving, Forbearing. If the defendant, who does not have a known place of residence or a selected place of residence in the Kingdom, does not attend after his statement, the court will rule on the case and its judgement against the defendant will be deemed as in absentia or in the absence of. YUSUFALI: O ye who believe! You would turn on your own kin, for doing things that are our biological nature. November 1997: Behind Closed Doors: Unfair Trials In Saudi Arabia Why, So that you may be forgiven. In addition, the Kingdom has implemented significant reforms to the legal system, including the introduction of the 2018 . bad stuff is washed out of your body. And then they convict her for a crime that she never committed. The Tribunal shall set a time for a preliminary hearing via a conference call where parties present their case and to determine the procedural order such as the time of hearing for the arbitration process. Even when a cane is used, the punishment is normally referred to as "flogging" rather than "caning"; and the lashes (rarely "strokes") are reportedly not (or anyway not usually) inflicted with the full strength of the operator, as they are required to be in countries with a British judicial caning tradition such as Singapore and Malaysia, with their maximum of 24 strokes at any one infliction; indeed, if Saudi-style sentences of hundreds of lashes were inflicted in the Singapore manner, the prisoner would surely not survive. He should also tell the judge that since the incident, he has become a born again Muslim. In a May 2008 opinion column in Arab News, it was claimed that lashes were now being given out by traffic police, presumably meaning "on the spot" and without a court sentence. Prisoners are stripped naked and shackled to an A-frame. As you mentioned above, there are certain amount. so far i have had eliminations at days 504, 840, 1176, 1512, 1848, 2184, 2520, 2856, 3192 and 3528. today is day 3726. i have definitely found something. I know many very good, honest, trustworthy Saudis. I really doubt much has changed in KSA, its just one of those countries. Emergency Contact Numbers. I think khilwa thingi is a bullshit ( excuse my french) To most Muslims, the Quran is like a software license. What kind of reasoning is that? The enforcement of the judgment in absentia shall be suspended if a judgment issued opposing the judgment in absentia requires its annulment. Who defines justice? As mere khalwah, in Islamic law we didnt have specific rules only if certain country want to implement certain punishment it just called tazir. You have to work together to be free. This is only for the creator of the heavens and the earth. Do you think its okay that Muhammad beheaded a whole tribe (banu qurayza) as if they were all guilty? This stage ends after the King's approval for the councils decision. He asked me one 50 saw a card I said no and after that he sent me following messages can anyone tell what does it mean. Isnt that a flagrant violation of the Sharia Law? But if ye ask about things when the Quran is being revealed, they will be made plain to you, Allah will forgive those: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Forbearing. Before referring the dispute to the Tribunal, the parties shall pay the Final Fee and the Arbitrators Fee as per the SCCA Administrator and Arbitrators Fee Schedule. If its possible, pls give me procedure. [1]:111 Final appeal from both Sharia courts and government tribunals is to the King of Saudi Arabia and all courts and tribunals follow Sharia rules of evidence and procedure. Photo of public judicial caning in Saudi Arabia, Oct 1977. www.corpun.com. Fucking disgusting, how mindlessly some of you follow a book that was probably written by some insane crackpot that grew up without any real understanding of the world. Khamisa and Fahd were sentenced to 40 lashes and four months imprisonment each, and Hadyan to 60 lashes and six months imprisonment. THIS SO BAD TO KNOW OF SHARIA LAWS PEOPLE STEAL DUE THEY HAVE PROBLEMS ONLY NOT FOR SIMPLE THINK WAT WILL HAPPEN TO THERE PARNETS THESE TO BAD OF SAUDI LAWS . 3. i look forward to being further informed. Judicial floggings continued in 1997. If the representative is an attorney, he shall be the one who has the right to trust according to the Law. There are numerous services provided to the elderly dedicated to health, social services, logistic services, and education and training services. 3.As soon as you enter Saudi Arabia, they will take your passport and hold it and control your movement back to your home country. Relations between people are private and government shouldnt spy for it. ", Among women subjected to the lash in the Saudi prison of Malaz in 1993 was an Indonesian maid who, according to a fellow prisoner, "had been starved and tortured for two years. [13] In 2007, King Abdullah issued royal decrees with the aim of reforming the judiciary and creating a new court system. By one estimate, 80% are from Al-Qassim province, the conservative religious heartland of Saudi Arabia in the center of the country. You cant really compare the harshness of the American legal system with the shear mediaeval barbarity of the Saudi one. At the top of the legal system is the King, who acts as the final court of appeal and as a source of pardon. If the defendant is absent from the agreed upon upcoming hearing without a valid or excusable reason, the court will rule on the case and its judgement against the defendant will be deemed as in absentia or not in attendance. A Judicial Caning in Saudi Arabia - A Kane Magazine Short Story Kindle Edition by C. Holder(Author), G. Harrison Marks(Editor), Cliff James(Photographer)& 0moreFormat: Kindle Edition 3.5 out of 5 stars2 ratings See all formats and editions Sorry, there was a problem loading this page. It is long past time for homophobia, misogyny, and moral judgment based on immoral books to be things of the past, and most of all long past time that we left behind the divisive and judgmental effects of mythologies from thousands of years ago. Allah Knows Best.. @nunu How does one take serious the reply from any individual who repeatedly uses zeros as vowels, omits vowels in others and combined zeros and o in the same word? No rule The document casts doubt on past claims that these are relatively lightly administered and meant as a symbolic humiliation rather than as serious pain. "We tried to see what we could do, but the wheels of justice had turned. A practical flaw in Islam is that a man can have four wives, which would leave three men without wives. Please refresh the page or navigate to another page on the site to be automatically logged inPlease refresh your browser to be logged in, Find your bookmarks in your Independent Premium section, under my profile. Saudi Arabia uses oil money to buy its way out of problems at the moment, but, as you say, the oil will not last for ever or it will be superseded by new technology that does not require oil. Demand respect? If they fail the test or refuse to cooperate, they are taken to the local muttawa center. Various references to flogging, including a 1996 case in which two secondary school students were whipped for assault in front of their fellow-pupils and teachers. What kind of childlike communication attempt, as much an effort to appear generationally hip can be taken seriously, when the very idiocy they represent runs rampant in their ability (or inability/refusal) to conform to simple rules and standards of communication? PICKTHAL: O ye who believe! Its presence plays a major role in preserving the security and stability of it and the private and public interests of the people. Hi. Given that genders are essentially equal, with number of female and male babies surviving past infancy. Quoted in this Nov 2007 American TV report, Human Rights Watch went so far as to say that flogging was "almost always" a component of any Saudi court sentence. Question, Why am I getting whipped and lashed when I didnt even touch her hand to shake? what i have discovered has gone around the world and many songs have been written about itthe foo fighters last 4 albumscoldplays last 4 albums Apart from anything else, why follow the prophet Mohammed? Why not appreciate this life? I feel Islamic rules should be interpreted differently with changing times. Saudi government is hell bent on applying their version of Sharia law when the perpetrators of a misdemeanor or felony happens to be the destitute people from poor Asian counties. Many of the Islamic court judges who order the whippings are Saudis who have been given sharia court posts outside the kingdom. We all muslims love to have this law. May Allah bless America and his brother Saudi. (vol. States that at least 27 individuals were sentenced to flogging in 1996. 3, no. (select up to two options), Please select maximum two options and proceed with submit, Comments should not exceed 250 characters, Last Modified Date: 31/12/2022 - 12:26 PM Saudi Arabia Time, Thank you for your feedback. sadly violence and torture and unfair teatment seems acceptable to muslims. *******Correction****** (which is now srilanka). Dear sir, update me .if some have pay his punishment by the Saudi government & been released .after paying his charge .Is the crime will be valid for his career ? [5] Appellate courts sit in Mecca and Riyadh and review decisions for compliance with Sharia. Quite frankly, the act of cutting off a persons hand, for anyone for any reason is just pain wrong. Resolute requests seeking reconsideration of judgments issued by it. That anyone could care for a moment about who is talking to who, is beyond my understanding. Ive been chatting to a Saudi girl online recently who is extremely dedicated to her religion and although we agree on most things, other topics result in me having to hit my head against a brick wall! Where on heavens do we get to hear about several heads of Saudis getting knocked off in one day? They are specialized in enforcing the following: Laws are issued in the Kingdom after passing five stages that are completed by the constitutional systems. Another maid was ordered to be flogged 140 times for "adultery" on 18 September. "The strokes, delivered through a thin shirt, are not supposed to leave permanent damage, but to leave painful welts that bleed and bruise.". The court may order to temporarily suspend the execution of the opposing judgment if this is requested in the memorandum of opposition and he fears that the execution will cause serious and irreparable harm. One of the reasons for the rejection was that her youngest son is 10 years older than Fahd! However the problem with your version of Islam is that you try to force your view on others. From what I read, anal sex in gulf nations such as Saudi Arabia is very common. The USA doesnt execute people for extra-marital sex though, or similarly ridiculous reasons, as Saudi Arabia does. HRW describes the implement used as "a bamboo whip about 7 feet long". The Ministry of Justice enable searching for lawyers accredited to the Ministry, and provides visitors to this section through its electronic portal with searching and obtaining names of accredited lawyers and ways to contacting them by selecting the city, beside inquiring about practicing lawyers. Keep on the good work, saudiwoman! If the concern is safety of women that is ridiculous. Can you help me? Also it became difficult with immigrants to implement it as a punishment since it was quite possible they were ignorant of the crimes they had committed until after committing the offence. Religious people are never done telling people about their all powerful, all knowing, all wise, creator of the entire universe god, but this god of theirs never seems to be able to achieve anything at all without their help. But I do appreciate your fair representation of cases. Though their real motive was not to kill the guard but to steal some electrical cables from the warehouse they used to work. That comment hits the nail on the head. Saudi Arabia - Judicial Costs Regulations. Yes, but as I understand it, Islam is seen as a religion that cannot be questioned or updated as the Koran is the direct word of God, as told to the Prophet. It will also highlight the five stages of issuing laws, which consist of Suggestion Stage, Voting Stage, Validation Stage, Release Stage and Publication Stage. [4]:160 Another important change is the establishment of appeal courts for each province. thank you. The Quran was already written as a modification of the Christian gospels that in turn where a political take on the original Jewish Torah that predates all of them and has not been changed (ever). It is like a person thinking with only half a brain! The Saudi court system consists of three main parts. these punishments are meted out on the people in the name of religion and Islam preaches it is a religion of peace, where is the peace if it cannot tolerate its own people.I think that the Quran that dictates all these barbaric punishments should be rewritten to make it more tolerable and humane . Supplementing the Shariah courts is the Board of Grievances, which hears cases that involve the government. Good grief what barbaric laws you have lashes,cutting off body parts and beheadings Saudi needs to update its laws and stop living in the dark ages !! The website of the Saudi Center for Business Arbitration provides an Arbitration Fees Calculator by entering the amount of the dispute to be calculated in Saudi riyals and US dollars. I wish to read more things about it! @Kathy A womans worst enemy is women like her SO SAD!!! He is being held up (somewhat incompetently) against the back of a police van and punished with what is either a somewhat rigid whip or an extremely flexible long cane. An overview of the legal system in the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, the Court structure, judiciary and legal representation. Its main role is to review Hudud cases (murder, amputation, stoning, or legal retribution and what is less than killing) It reviews the decisions in terms of the correct application of the rules Islamic rules and regulations and its, their interpretation, as well as in terms of the procedures followed in the trial, without having anything to do with portraying the facts or assessing the evidence. What if Muhammad was simply a popular folk figure whos story was blown out of proportion? Extramarital sex on the other hand is extremely serious and at the same time very hard to get convicted for. Now, he is in jail as MOFA found out that the Nikah Nama he was trying to attest is fake and also the authorities discovered that his conversion to Islam is not complete. After the arbitrator(s) are chosen, the SCCA will contact the arbitrators and notify them of their appointment and follow the procedures set forth on the Rules regarding disclosures. Women as well as men may be flogged. maybe it could be applicable if they saw couples ( lovers) checking in in a hotel room or something .. If the court case is cancelled, he may request a continuation of the court case based on the circumstances, wherein the court will set a hearing to consider the circumstances and will inform the defendant. My husband has converted to islam last year and married another woman recently. The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia (the "Kingdom") is an Islamic monarchy that was established as a state on 23 September 1932 G. Change). Islam respects NO other faith or way of life, though demands it.
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